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Re: random sprouting of crap
« Reply #21000 on: November 22, 2016, 03:38:16 PM »
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For one thing this is only a conjecture - there are papers out there stating the opposite of this with some variations in reasoning.

If we go with this version of events, though, I've not read the actual paper but the abstract says something about supersymmetric vacua being marginally stable so maybe the conjecture works along the lines of there being multiple degenerate supersymmetric ground state vacua which are generally separated by domain walls, and non-supersymmetric vacua eventually decay into one of those.

So not all vacua must die. THE PUN LIED TO ME  :rant!!!

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Re: random sprouting of crap
« Reply #21001 on: November 22, 2016, 04:16:27 PM »
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I'm fairly sure there isn't a Valyrian word for Supersymmetry though, so it might have been too hard to translate "All non-supersymetric vacua must die".

I might try and sneak a citation to this paper into my thesis anyway, just for fun. Right now the funniest paper title I'll be citing in there is "Spherical Cows in the Sky with Fab Four".


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Re: random sprouting of crap
« Reply #21003 on: December 27, 2016, 06:20:37 PM »
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Especially if you teach philosophy of mathematics in english.

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Re: random sprouting of crap
« Reply #21004 on: December 28, 2016, 12:33:05 PM »
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Oh good, a cue to partake in my favourite past time of trolling philosophers.

Philosophy has finally achieved something! We were just going about it the wrong way before. Just like reading Thomas the Tank Engine books isn't likely to have much positive effect on anything other than a young child, philosophy is something that should be taught to 10 year olds rather than university-age hipsters who don't want to learn anything useful.

It's not like Philosophy is the only useless degree though - there are countless waste of time subjects that do little more than prove you can be trained, just that philosophers seem to be extra desperate to justify their tuition fees. I suppose this could be a side effect of how the subject seems to train people to think that they are right about everything, or at least more right than normal people who can't reel off the names of 3 famous philosophers who worked on a particular philosophical idea with an overly fancy name.


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Re: random sprouting of crap
« Reply #21005 on: December 28, 2016, 03:53:57 PM »
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I suppose this could be a side effect of how the subject seems to train people to think that they are right about everything, or at least more right than normal people who can't reel off the names of 3 famous philosophers who worked on a particular philosophical idea with an overly fancy name.

Actually Popper and falsificationism taught us to give up the notion of 'being right' and instead strive to prove everyone else wrong.

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Re: random sprouting of crap
« Reply #21006 on: December 29, 2016, 10:31:54 AM »
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Re: random sprouting of crap
« Reply #21007 on: December 29, 2016, 11:34:07 AM »
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Eh, while I appreciate Popper's contribution in terms of methodology and I think proceeding always with the assumption that things are only temporarily right puts you in the right mindset not to get too attached to pet theories (which in the end you'll do anyways but at least you know you shouldn't), I'm not convinced his approach is so radically different from anything else or solves the induction problem. In the end the critical step, when a theory is falsified, is always the establishing of a new theory to replace it. And while Popper may well say that this choice can be any choice as long as the new theory is falsifiable as well we know that's not the case. When Einstein formulated General Relativity he didn't just look for a new theory that fit all the known data, he applied a bunch of his personal intuitions to it about what laws of physics OUGHT to look like. That's all induction. A lot of times induction is still part of the process of establishing new models; Popper simply swept it under the rug.

Anyway I agree that discussing this already constitutes philosophy, if we want, so I don't share chris' attitude towards the discipline as a whole. I understand a bit more the disaffection with the idea of philosophy as a discipline on its own today. "History of philosophy" would be a more appropriate name for a lot of study courses. Expecting that merely knowing the philosophical work of a number of people (many of which in the past were actually polymaths with a lot of different kinds of expertise) would be enough to churn out new meaningful ideas rather than completely speculative, out-of-touch ramblings today is a bit delusional IMHO too.



 

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Re: random sprouting of crap
« Reply #21008 on: December 29, 2016, 01:17:32 PM »
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Anyway I agree that discussing this already constitutes philosophy, if we want, so I don't share chris' attitude towards the discipline as a whole. I understand a bit more the disaffection with the idea of philosophy as a discipline on its own today.

If I'm being serious (e.g. when not just shitposting on the internet) this "dissatisfaction" is closer to what I really feel than the hyperbolic disgust I usually present.
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Today, anything that you might call part of philosophy that is worth discussing is part of a different field. It was of historical value but today is an amalgamation of things that have developed into fields with their own experts. The philosopher is like that one know-it-all giving all the experts unsolicited advice while arguing their approach is more pure, when in reality it is just more pretentious. The fact that a philosopher can barely go a paragraph without name-dropping Kant or Popper or someone doesn't help convince me that there is any modern value (generation of meaningful ideas) in considering it a discrete discipline. Really, it's an aspect of many other disciplines. There's meta-science and meta-law and stuff, but to group all of these very different things under one umbrella is hubris. This is why I don't have a problem with a scientist metaphysically discussing interpretation of quantum mechanics or something, but why I do have a problem with a philosopher trying to apply some pure-philosophical idea to science. It almost invariably will just lead to out-of-touch rambling. If it doesn't, it's probably well-established enough to already be meta-science, rather than pure philosophy. Maybe it works better in the overlap with other fields, I don't know. Is my view of things skewed? Possibly. I did take a "philosophy of science" course a couple of years ago and it mostly reinforced my prejudices, despite my attempts to go in with an open mind to see if I could get what the big deal some people make about philosophy is. In the end, I think the word philosophy should be retired, more or less.


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Re: random sprouting of crap
« Reply #21009 on: December 29, 2016, 02:23:18 PM »
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Today, anything that you might call part of philosophy that is worth discussing is part of a different field. It was of historical value but today is an amalgamation of things that have developed into fields with their own experts. The philosopher is like that one know-it-all giving all the experts unsolicited advice while arguing their approach is more pure, when in reality it is just more pretentious. The fact that a philosopher can barely go a paragraph without name-dropping Kant or Popper or someone doesn't help convince me that there is any modern value (generation of meaningful ideas) in considering it a discrete discipline. Really, it's an aspect of many other disciplines. There's meta-science and meta-law and stuff, but to group all of these very different things under one umbrella is hubris. This is why I don't have a problem with a scientist metaphysically discussing interpretation of quantum mechanics or something, but why I do have a problem with a philosopher trying to apply some pure-philosophical idea to science. It almost invariably will just lead to out-of-touch rambling. If it doesn't, it's probably well-established enough to already be meta-science, rather than pure philosophy. Maybe it works better in the overlap with other fields, I don't know. Is my view of things skewed? Possibly. I did take a "philosophy of science" course a couple of years ago and it mostly reinforced my prejudices, despite my attempts to go in with an open mind to see if I could get what the big deal some people make about philosophy is. In the end, I think the word philosophy should be retired, more or less.

Agree, though there's no point in retiring the word itself - more like retiring the concept of a "philosopher" as applied to modern researchers. There's historians of philosophy and then there's a bunch of other disciplines which have something philosophical to them. If anything we probably could use with a broader look at past philosophy, for perspective, in scientific studies (and all the other fields that have been spawned by it). In general the concept of "philosophy" was just a term for "knowing shit" in a time when there was still little enough shit to know a person could cover all fields by themselves. So I think we could use with a more "philosophical" outlook, but at the same time merely knowing philosophy as it's intended today is not enough to go beyond circlejerking, most of the times.

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Re: random sprouting of crap
« Reply #21010 on: December 29, 2016, 10:44:57 PM »
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Re: random sprouting of crap
« Reply #21011 on: January 01, 2017, 02:46:09 AM »
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Re: random sprouting of crap
« Reply #21012 on: January 02, 2017, 08:46:53 AM »
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Today in Only in Japan...

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"Yonekura commented that it had taken them time to settle the divorce and reported on it once it was finalized. She apologized for causing concern over her private matters."

Not even Canadian celebrities would be so polite as to apologise to their fans for causing concern while going through a divorce. Anywhere else in the world it'd be at best "Thank you for your concern, but we ask that you respect our privacy" (which Yonekura's agency basically does on her behalf). Probably more like "Leave me alone, it's none of your business."

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